And why is this being related to rascism? It’s not like people are burning the flag of other countries in videos.
Racism masqueraded as patriotism and showing support for the Lionesses beating Spain in the football.
Same with the flags on lamposts, it’s all really protesting about the migrant hotels.
If you watch it on the news, look at the protestors - it’s always the mouth breathing morons who complain about immigration being too high and that they should be kicked out, but then they’ll get taxis, takeaways, use the NHS etc and not even realise their own hypocrisy
I haven’t seen much of this in my area but there is a footbridge over a dual carriageway which has the union jack hanging on it. I don’t if whoever did it selected that flag on purpose or just did it slightly wrong.
Probably just a little bit less racist?
Flags on lampposts are normal in Northern Ireland.
Usually the ones I find complaining are about illegal immigrants. Not immigrants in general who abide by the law
Usually the ones I find complaining are about illegal immigrants. Not immigrants in general who abide by the law
This is a wild thing to say when I know you’re aware of the recent pogrom that happened in Northern Ireland that was targeted at those perceived to be ‘illegal immigrants’. Like, do you think these people aren’t just tarring all immigrants they don’t like as ‘illegal immigrants’, like what happened in Ballymena?
In Ballymena, a large portion of immigrants were deliberately not targeted. It was mainly due to antisocial behaviour, which just so happened to be coming from a group of foreigners. Things like this happen to antisocial white people all of the time and it doesn’t make the news.
And should go without saying, but no, I’m not defending it. It’s just that what the media pushes out isn’t reality.
“I’m not defending their actions, but their reasons were right” is such a cop out of an answer. Have you not considered that racists are going to hold racial minorities they don’t like to a different standard to everyone else, and that maybe the Roma’s behaviour wasn’t so exceptionally bad? Or are you just going to blindly believe the words of people happy to violently remove racial minorities from their town?
a large portion of immigrants were deliberately not targeted
But it wasn’t down the ‘illegal/legal’ dichotomy you say are these people’s primary concern, was it.
antisocial white people all of the time and it doesn’t make the news
No it doesn’t, if it did the Reform/DUP lot wouldn’t shut about it. Or are you comparing a single person or family being ostracised to an entire racial group being pushed out of a town.
When did I say “their reasons were right”. The whole time I’ve been saying that the media is oversimplifying it. And also that the police should have done something before it descended into violence.
And yes, this does happen. And the DUP do talk about these events.
I have several first hand contacts in Ballymena. They said this was one family. One used to work in a shop and had to ban them as they kept stealing stock. I also know another Romanian who deliberately avoided this other group of Romanians, to the point of crossing the road.
I’ve learned to trust first hand witnesses over the media. You’d be surprised over how wrong the media can be at times.
I once tried to explain to an American about how English/British flags are seen over here, and they really couldn’t understand what I was talking about.
There’s nothing inherently racist about flying a flag and showing a bit of pride, but for as long as I’ve been alive, I only ever see racists flying flags (outside of World Cup/Coronation etc). After decades of racists flying flags, I can’t help but think that you’re a racist if you’re flying an England flag. Everybody in England kinda knows this, and the ones who disagree are suspect. It’s a shame I suppose. I think if we really wanted to reverse this, IMO, you’d have to do something like fly an England flag but also fly a pride flag on the same pole. It’s definitely NOT going to be reversed by a guy who calls himself “Andy Saxon” who used to be part of the English Defence League. That’s gonna make it worse.
Andy Saxon?
Bloody Normans coming over here, establishing our parliament and codifying the rule of common law that our modern judicial system is based upon!
#stopthelongships
You see flags everywhere in other countries when you travel. You see Indian flags, New Zealand flags, Canadian flags, Mexican flags, EU flags, Spanish flags, French flags, Croatian flags, South African flags, Irish flags, Scottish flags, Welsh flags. All showing pride in their country or themselves and nobody bats an eyelid.
Yet somehow the English and UK flag has to be put up by a racist. 🤷
I get that it has been unfortunately coopted by the far right and I’m not excusing that. But people also get gleeful when they have an opportunity, any opportunity, to brand someone a flag shagger or white van man. It’s just where we are as a country right now.
On the internet, I agree with you, everybody jumps on one another at the slightest chance. It sucks. In the real world, people have a lot more nuance. I’m not gonna immediately throw a milkshake at somebody for having an England flag up, and most people probably wouldn’t bat an eye.
I’m not gleeful about the flag thing at all. I like it when we win the Euros and I can fly a flag and be proud for a short while. I once went on holiday in Portugal during the World Cup and had little England flags on my car and a few people shouted “Inglaterra!” at us and it was great.
Ulsterisation.
As the right gropes towards power it will look for models of non-state violence and it has settled on the unionist terrorist paramilitaries.
Which is instructive and ironic that they choose Loyalists. Ulster is a mature settler colonial project where their intention was to supplant the indigenous population. That is what these far right twats fear most happening to them. The fact that it is not the essence of the act but that the subject of the act potentially being themselves that defines the act as evil in their eyes reveals their untrustworthy shallow parasitic self interest.
In northern ireland, they’d paint the kerb stones red, white and blue as well as putting up the flags and bunting in areas where there was a working class protestant majority. They couldn’t enact pogroms like they did in the 1920’s with impunity so this slowly strangling intimidation became the vogue for the capture of territory and constant enforcement of sectarianism on the entirety of both communities. As a catholic growing up there, those areas did not feel like public space but pits of self harming fear and rage.
Because it’s a certain type of person painting them.
Also, it’s pretty disrespectful to the flag, it’ll be driven, walked and cycled over.
It is. Painting it in the first place on the ground is the disrespect. After that it’s nothing more than graffiti.
It’s also against the law to mess with road markings. Road markings need to look like they’re supposed to look; how they look conveys their meaning. You can’t just let anybody with a tin of Dulux and a Very Important Cause go around making up their own road markings.
Highways authorities are required by law to remove vandalism like this, and the groups responsible will inevitably use this as an excuse to cry about being censored.
Kinda shows the point when illegal immigrants get more money than homeless people who don’t abuse subtance use.
Deranged for you to pretend you don’t know why this is being linked to racism and then post something like this
“This has nothing at all to do with racism, it’s just pride in our football team. But apropos of nothing, how about all those illegal immigrants?!”
Love me footie
'Ate foreigners
Come on ingerland
That’s proportionally so wrong, it looks more like a St Patrick’s Saltire (when viewed diagonally).
