I’m a Linux user since 1998 (my main desktop PC runs Debian), however I do have a couple of Macs around because I love their hardware (not so much the software though). In fact, I have three old MacBook Airs (mid-2011, 2012, 2015), all running Linux. The moment I got them, I erased MacOS and installed Linux pronto!
But my main laptop is a MacBook Air M1 with MacOS because it’s much faster than these older Intel-based MacBook Airs. Modern web browsing and video editing requires a lot of processing power.
So, I want to move to have my main laptop running Linux too. I DON’T want to install Asahi Linux on my M1, because I don’t consider it a proper solution for my needs (I want to run Resolve, you see, and most foss apps that I use would need recompiling). Also, I don’t like that Asahi is dependent on MacOS to exist, because you can’t boot with a usb to install it.
My issue is that I can’t find ANYTHING on the PC market that is as slick or full featured as a MacBook Air (minus its limited ports). What I need is this:
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Screen no larger than 13.3" inches, Full HD at least, preferably good color gamut (but not a must). I still need the laptop to be portable though. Basically, I’m not even asking for HDR, as the MacBook Air features.
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Keyboard to have backlight, without the numpad (I hate these laptops where the touchpad is off center).
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The touchpad needs to be glass or of equivalent feel. The Apple touchpads slide/glide with ease. I find every PC touchpad I’ve used so far to be “sticky”. My finger on some Chromebooks and Dell/Lenovo laptops is doing a “grrrkkk, grrrkkkk” when I slide my finger! There’s something special about Apple’s touchpads, I dunno.
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Intel 13th+ gen CPU, with passmark points over 17,000 on multi-threading. My M1 scores about 12,000 points, and it’s 5 years old. So obviously I’d need something faster than what I have now.
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Intel GPU (no AMD or Nvidia please, I need Intel’s superior video decoding abilities). On a Mac that isn’t a problem, because Apple does support these 10bit 4:2:2 codecs I need, with hardware acceleration. But on the PC side, only Intel provides good support for these without headaches (only the newest nvidias support that, but I don’t want to use Nvidia for too many reasons – AMD is a disaster on that video front btw). I don’t play 3D games.
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I need speakers that sound good. Every single PC laptop I’ve tried, had the worst sound ever. I need it to be hear-able on YouTube and not sound as if you’re listening via a can. I bought a Thinkpad x280 a few months ago and I can’t use it because its speakers are so bad! DELL (from 5 years ago that I tried) aren’t better either.
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I need a (supported) fingerprint reader!
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32 GB of RAM.
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1 TB of storage.
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Below a $1800 price tag. That’s the price I can get with a MacBook Air for all that.
Now, you might think that “well, it seems that you just want a new MacBook”, but that’s not true. I want a PC laptop so I can run Debian Linux instead of MacOS. But I need it to be a laptop that is “proper” by my own standards. The quality of the interaction between my palms, fingers, eyes and PC laptops IS NOT the same as with any Apple laptop I’ve ever used. The reason people buy Apple hardware is NOT because “MacOSX is lickable” (as it was suggested many years ago by Jobs). I’ve actually researched the “why”. It’s because the INTERACTION of your senses and the laptop’s design/quality FITS. It’s like a glove for one another. It’s difficult to explain but I know it now to be true. It was never MacOSX itself (although MacOSX’s gui smoothness helps the overall experience).
So the question is: am I missing that special, Linux-compatible, PC laptop somewhere? If you know that such a laptop exists, please reply with a link. I’ll buy it in a heartbeat.
This is a serious post btw. I spent the whole weekend trying to find that mythical PC laptop, and I can’t. I’m frustrated.
EDIT: I might end up with the Framework 13. Not 100% what I’m after, but probably the best solution right now.
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Maybe a Starbook from Starlabs? https://starlabs.systems/pages/starbook
Or a V54 from NovaCustom?: https://novacustom.com/product/v54-series/
Or a Jupiter Pro from Juno Computers?: https://junocomputers.com/product/jupiter-14-pro-v3/
Or InfinityBook Pro 14 from Tuxedo?: https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en/TUXEDO-InfinityBook-Pro-14-Gen9-INTEL.tuxedo
None of them are ticking every box but worth a look.
Yup. At this point, I’d just want to run Linux like normal on modern MacBook. Man my m1 MacBook Air is still a beast and with all good hardware.
You want a MacBook. Apple has always made fantastic hardware. If you’re not willing to compromise, you’re stuck with macs.
Example, literally nobody else makes a trackpad like that.
Thank you, I think this puts it well. I’m not sure yet if I want to compromise or not, to be honest. I was hoping there’s a well-designed PC laptop out there.
In fact, 2 years ago I bought a levovo (16,000 passmark points, touchscreen, unfortunately large). I thought “ok, I’ll compromise”. But the moment my fingers touched the touchpad, I just couldn’t use it. It was just terrible. Sticky, and NOWHERE to disable the terrible tap-n-drag (I had left it with Windows11 back then).
That laptop now belongs to my niece. I just gave it away (and it was our fastest machine at our house at the time!).
There’s three threads recommending framework 13. I commented in one. I actually own a new 13 with all the latest stuff. It comes close, but it’s not a Mac.
The trackpad works really good except it has a lot of play in it - it’s annoying.
I’ve seen better screens. Yes I have the newest one, no it’s not terrible - but there’s better out there.
The speakers are just ok. Not bad, just ok.
The 13 craftsmanship wise is amazing. My father in law just bought the 16. That one has fit issues with the trackpad and the spacers on either side of it.
Fingerprint readers on both and they work great. No touchscreen.
Battery life is good. Macs are better. My 13 goes about 6-7 hours of continual “normal use”. If I’m using teams for a video call, it’s significantly less - maybe 3 hours. Games - depends on the game but that can drain it in a couple of hours. You cannot under any circumstances go an entire day+ of continuous use without charging.
They are both fantastic linux machines (frameworks) and I highly recommend them. But the hardware is not Mac perfect despite what others say. Just trying to be real here - sounds like you have high expectations and I’d hate for you to buy an expensive laptop and be dissatisfied.
I’ve been loving my Framework
I’m sure you have, I spec’ed one earlier today. But I can’t find ANYWHERE in their docs or spec pages if it has a fingerprint reader or not. And when spec’ed similarly, it was more expensive than a macbook air ($2065 compared to $1800). And I still don’t know about the quality of its trackpad or speakers.
Confirmed my 13 fingerprint reader works on Arch
It has a fingerprint reader.
all of them do?
Except the 12 unfortunately
How’s the build quality compared to other brands, particularly macbooks? I haven’t found a brand with even remotely the same build quality as a macbook.
I was in a very similar situation when shopping for my current laptop so here are my thoughts: I set out looking for a lightweight and relatively powerful 13" Linux laptop and ended up with an M4 MacBook Air. Despite what a lot of people wanna say, the MacBook Air is one of the best deals you can get for an ultrabook, especially on these newer generations, as others I’ve looked at struggle to compete in performance per watt while at the same price point and with lower build quality. Seems to me that with the requirements you’ve listed, you will have to compromise on a few things if you want the advantages of running Linux.
The FW13, best fit I can think of, is a wonderful machine, you will probably have a good time with it, but it certainly does not have as good of a build quality, battery life nor UX refinement as a MacBook. The difference isn’t massive but it is there. These are common compromises when you buy into more ethical tech.
I was about to suggest the framework as well, but I don’t have to :)
I would just add that the build quality is at least equal to any mainstream brand like Dell or Lenovo, and you also gain in repairability/upgradability which will make this laptop last forever (every single piece is replaceable) or upgradable for a fraction of the price of a new laptop.I wrote a first impression and 2.5 months review if you’re interested.
Dell XPS 13 checks all your boxes except good speakers.
I have the XPS 15 9510 model. Intel 13th gen i7, backlit keyboard, great trackpad, sleek design. It came with 16GB ram but I replaced with 32.
I bought it “refurb” on eBay last May SPECIFICALLY because I wanted the most Mac-like PC. Running Arch Linux from day one and it’s been rock solid and super fast. The speakers aren’t great and the mic is pretty bad. But I usually use headphones or external speakers when docked.
I honestly am very happy with it and it was only like $550.
I spent a bunch of time before this comparing new computers; between Thinkbooks, Framework, Tuxedo, XPS. In the end I decided what I wanted didn’t require it to be new. I was only concerned about degraded battery but I can replace that myself when the time comes.
I don’t want to plug the seller but they’re constantly selling these on eBay so you’ll probably see them if you search.
Side note I disabled the NVIDIA GPU and only use the Intel iGPU which has saved a lot of battery.
btw, can you really replace the ssd/ram on these xps 13s? I found one afor $1700, and in greece they ask for $2500 if you spec it with 32gb of ram. But if I can replace it myself easily, that would be nice.
Yes SSD and RAM are simple to replace. There are two SSD NVME slots in fact, and only one is used by default so you can add another.
This is very useful, thank you. I will investigate!
2025 is the year of the Linux laptop
Lenovo
I bought a refirb Chromebook with an Intel CPU for $150 and put Debian on it.
Its a piece of shit, but I feel like a technology racoon. Its also lightweight. I do my homework on it.
Speakers don’t work tho, but it’s OK thats what headphones are for.
You could just go cheap until u find something perfect.
I already have 5 laptops. Laptops that range from 2800 passmark points to 5500 points (older Chromebooks usually clock between 1400 and 4000 points, so yours is probably in that range). I use these laptops as testbeds mostly, not as my main laptops for work/browsing. I need something faster than my M1 Macbook Air (which clocks 14,000 points – and that’s already 5 years old). So a 6th refurbished, old, slow laptop won’t do the job.
In fact, funnily enough, I’ve done the same mistake with video cameras back in the day. I was buying cheaper stuff, thinking that one feature here, or one feature there would make out for not buying a more expensive camera. They weren’t enough. I had to wait to 2024 to actually find the video camera that I was looking for in 2011.
Same for phones. Even after the popularization of the iphone and android, I still didn’t like them. I had to wait until about 2018-or-so, to feel that they had matured to the level I envisioned them 15 years earlier!
I guess I have certain ideas on what I want from hardware and anything less doesn’t cut it…
Apple hardware may piss off in my world, glad it works for you but claiming some universal UX superiority is very silly.
I can’t stand the keyboard layout, the touchpad, the case shape, the crummy ports, I really dislike it all.
Admit you’re very picky and just want Apple because it fits your specific desires; that is fine.
