• FundMECFS@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    (Not that I’m necessarily a fan of the heirarchical organisation of Ancient Egypt, but sharing cuz shows ur point)

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      well ancient egypt did have payrolls and quarterly reports because that’s kind of just a necessary function for a civilization of that scale. I know everybody hates payroll and doing quarterly reports but that isn’t because sharing and / or having that type of information sucks, it’s because it’s all to do more nickel and dime shit

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        I think “technically” it wasn’t slavery, atleast as envisioned in modernity. But there was definitely coercion involved so it probably amounts to what anarchists would call slavery. So yeah not something to take inspiration from. But an easy “gotcha” for people saying without capitalism there is no progress.

  • Commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    There were still classes back in the day, serfdom, slavery, guilds that had similar exploitation to wage labor. There was plenty of coercion to get labor done.

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      That very much depends on when and where you look in history. Many people didn’t live that way at all and still lived in large communities and built things with the only coercion being the ties of community for hundreds to thousands of years.

      Being a serf was apparently a lot less work and less miserable than you might think from pop culture. They worked for another, yes, but they also were looked after in return, and they didn’t have to work the whole year. They also could just leave if they wanted to find a new place to live, which was a lot easier then than it is now. It wasn’t the false choice of today where you work or starve.

      Slavery, also, depended on the culture. In some cultures slaves were typically people who were captured or traded in compensation for a killing. But rather than be forced labor, they were treated as a sort of trial family member, and once the debt was seen as paid they would often be fully adopted as part of the community.

      I recommend a book by David Graeber and David Wengrow called The Dawn of Everything, if you’re interested in this sort of thing. It challenges the foundations of what we assume history was like using historical evidence, then reimagines foggy parts and builds an at least as probable image of the past in it’s place.

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        They (serfs) also could just leave if they wanted to find a new place to live, which was a lot easier then than it is now. It wasn’t the false choice of today where you work or starve.

        That’s literally false - serfs were legally tied to their land and lord, and the only way out was if they were either let go or escaped to some town offering freedom. This obligation was hereditary too, and getting your own land/home was pretty much impossible given how ingrained in aristocrat culture owning land was, with the sale of land being a great dishonor on your lineage and family.

        Are we literally falsifying feudalism now, is that what’s happening

  • peoplebeproblems@midwest.social
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    So I recently learned my… Inclination to reject authority based on authority alone is related to ASD and I’m way more neurospicier than I understood (though everyone around me knew)

    But I know I can respect authority when there is reason to do so.

    Was wage-dependance created as a way to squish bugs like me who would otherwise laugh at authority for preposterous demands?

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    Kind of reminds me of when people are like “If you don’t believe in hell why aren’t you raping and murdering people?”. It says a lot about the speaker

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    The pyramids were paid for in part by a stipend of beer. I think that’s a good better system.