They have seen a meteoric rise in recent years. Their sister/front organisations like ANSWER, Codepink, People’s Forum, BTnews have all become household names. When I look at protests in the U.S., it seems so many of them are organised directly, or indirectly, by them. In comparison, organisations like the CPUSA or the DSA are lacking behind.

How and why?

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    It’s the work they put in. These days Palestinian solidarity is cool among the youth and left and protests are regular. But 10, 20, 30 years ago? Not as much. When something big happened in regards to that or any other big issue PSL and their sister/front group ANSWER were all over it organizing demonstrations. I’d see their people out there bringing signs and leading. Their members become known as people who get the organizing done among those who are active in the leftist ecosystem. Suddenly, ideological differences start to soften because they are the people actually out there making things happen.

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        “actually supporting the things you believe in for decades is opportunism, you tool, you absolute stooge”

        for the record the person behind the palestinian stuff for the longest time in my area is a woman who has visiting palestine/gaza a number of times and works directly with some of the mosques in the area. it’s not some quick and easy grab to get attention. she puts in the work. another is a jewish girl who stands up for human rights and against zionism. these people are amazing and work very very hard at what they do. i have deep respect for them and fully believe in their resolve to the causes they stand for.

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    I’ve attributed their success to three things. They aggressively weed out any potential cops or feds. I’ve never seen any organization take it this seriously. If they even catch a whiff of cop on you, then you’re out.

    The second part of it is probably money. Party dues are very high compared to other orgs, so they have a bunch of money to work with.

    Third is how willing they are to work with other groups. I know PSL and Marxist orgs in general have a reputation for being rigid and controlling, but that hasn’t been my impression at all. Branches are frequently in coalition with other local groups, like my local PSL coordinates with Mexico’s MORENA and several indigenous/latino groups.

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      They aggressively were out any potential cops or feds. I’ve never seen any organization take it this seriously. If they even catch a whiff of cop on you, then you’re out.

      I would be quite interested in how they approach this, but I understand that some of it may be well guarded information. I think British orgs in particular have a very rough time with it. We have evidence of reading circles with as few as 4 members being infiltrated by full blown intel agency spies, let alone cops. The approach here seems to be to get in as early as possible so that they have early-bird trust.

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        Sorry I meant weed out cops/feds. My observation from the outside is they try to get to know the person well and put candidates through several layers of probation before letting them assume a leadership role. lots of reading and studying.

        I’m not sure what else they do but it seems to work. Part of it might be an attitude thing. Like members always have it in mind to be cautious about cops that it makes cops wary about even trying.

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          Even with high security culture, it is extremely likely PSL is infiltrated at some level. I’m not saying that to discourage people from joining PSL or so members stop participating, but that should always be kept in the back of our minds as a possibility with ML organizations in this country. We shouldn’t get too comfortably certain about having prevented infiltration. Even Stalin didn’t catch Khrushchev, if Furr is right. Be cautious, Comrade.

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    I think PSL’s winning ticket is neither the Presidential campaign nor the educational content. Other parties do those and aren’t nearly as large or popular.

    I think what PSL does well theoretically and practically is address intersectional issues and decolonization, anti-racism, and so on, which are the order of the day. Most PSL people I see, and this may just be good propaganda, are non-White and this tells me that they are effectively reaching out to POC communities and comrades in ways others aren’t. Let me drop some older, experiential knowledge.

    DSA, ISO, even anarchist circles, etc. have always had a White leadership and racism problem. Some organizations, like ISO (Trot, I know), would even dismiss the importance of racial, decolonial questions as “identity politics” that they didn’t get involved with. Many were and are class reductionists that only want to discuss the problems of the proletariat, which of course includes cishet White men as a default. This can feel not only dogmatic but incorrect to comrades or potential comrades who don’t have the luxury of keeping an issue in the abstract because they live it daily.

    Rewind the clock 15 years ago, and, I’m sorry to say, no one really gave a fuck about Black people or decolonial struggles generally. No one even really cared about using slurs or making racist jokes or comments. Precious few cared to even carry it as a real issue, even among Left spaces as BLM was starting. Obama was seen as having resolved racism in the country, not a joke nor hyperbole on my part. It rubbed White men the wrong way to be on the other side of history and critique, which created a lot of problems in groups. Presumably, this is why Left spaces and organizations were maintained as predominantly White. It was a self-filtering, most POC didn’t want to stick around to deal with that bullshit, but there was also gatekeeping of people who were seen as problems for criticizing these issues and in particular criticizing certain leaders. You can still see this play out on Hexbear, by the way.

    Now, everyone likes to say and think they’re allies. Parties and people want to pretend like that didn’t happen and they were always anti-racist, but that’s easy to say and hard to prove when there are still POC who were there and have not forgotten what happened not that long ago. You can see the same thing happen with the Democratic Party who rejected BLM when Trayvon Martin was murdered, Obama himself dismissed it, but now that BLM grew into this toothless iteration like to act like they are its champions. That shit might work on White people who want to believe they were always good, but it won’t work on POC with half a brain to remember. Another example, albeit different, is how DSA handled the question of Palestine—not 15 years ago but 15 months ago!!

    It seems that PSL does not have a reductionist (read, “reactionary”) line. It has welcomed a lot of people who didn’t feel comfortable with that shit and, unsurprisingly, feel comfortable in spaces where they are accepted and anti-racism is put into practice in a radical way. I’m not entirely sure but it seems they were practicing this since the beginning and have good credit on this to make newer people coming in feel at ease. Further, younger people are growing up already understanding intersectional issues as important and necessary to address. They don’t have the same baggage from previous times. When they interact with a group like PSL, it feels like PSL has a line which matches the thought of the youth, which is critical. When younger poeple encounter other groups, it feels like walking into an irrelevant but well-preserved museum. I’m cishet but I would assume (hopefully correctly) that PSL carries intersectional thinking to its logical conclusion with regard to LGBTQ issues as well, which resonates well with the youth and those communities too. PSL rests in good theory on that front and I, personally, have a lot of respect for them in this aspect. I think that theory leads them to good practice which has led to a lot of support from these communities which previously had to stick to ‘identity’-based groups, for lack of a better term. This allows PSL to grow in ways other groups aren’t or are doing slowly.

    I’m not a member of PSL, by the way, and have other critiques of them but this is good.

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      I used to be an anarchist, and helped organize and participate in protest to free Palestine since 2001-2002, organized against police murders of black men in my community since 2006 or so, and organized protests against the murders of Trayvon martin, Mike brown, etc before BLM became a huge movement after George floyd.

      Just saying.

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        Then you should probably know what I’m talking about. I’m not saying there wasn’t anyone or any organizing around anti-racism at all.

        My point is that it was much more the exception than the rule. It wasn’t a universal priority. Now everyone understands it as critical and necessary.