Is there even a remotely comfortable place for people to even talk about subjects like this without it devolving into “not all X” arguments and completely missing the point? I basically can’t talk about any of my day to day experiences with sexism without fearing the majority of lemmy users. I shouldn’t be fucking afraid dammit.
I have no tolerance for insecure men who are scared of their bad behaviour ever being held to account. I 💯 agree with you.
If 10% of the men that got offended by this shit would get offended by their mate catcalling or groping someone those behaviours would disappear in a week.
Yes but then they would have to get angry at their bros, not just at bitches. It’s totally different. We wouldn’t understand.
How? We’re not friends with those people. The Fratbro Alliance is a self contained circlejerk.
guarantee you know some blokes that treat women like shit at least sometimes if you’re at all social.
approx 15% of Aussie men admit they would rape a kid, most often married wealthy men with kids. https://www.humanrights.unsw.edu.au/sites/default/files/documents/Identifying and understanding child sexual offending behaviour and attitudes among Australian men.pdf
That’s probably the most heinous sexual offense there is. I’ve been at a work function where a guy pinned me against a wall and insisted I come home with him, everyone just looked on with a couple of awkward laughs. I’m not saying your friends are all bastards, but you’ve gotta have a pretty narrow or pretty small social circle to avoid running into predatory men.
Bless you kind fae.
Happy to help!
On the internet without curated access? No.
There’s a graffiti on an abandoned building nearby, about 8 stories tall, that just says “STOP MEN.”
Strangely, neither myself nor any of the men I regularly hang with have been offended by this or felt targeted. It’s almost like random graffiti can’t hurt you.
Amazing how either, so many people are missing the point, or pretending to so they can strawman the argument.
Literally all this graffiti says is that men who catcall can’t do that any more if they’re dead.
The point being, either stop catcalling on your own or people who have to experience that shit would love to stop you instead. It’s not about all men, just the ones who catcall, so either you feel called out, you’re missing the point or you’re pretending to.
Which is it?
or, you know, men who don’t cat call and consider themselves feminists and allies? This is not hard.
allies are always decided by the opressed group, not the person themselves, otherwise they can make it too much a part of their ego and start arguing with individuals or part of the opressed group when called out or in for harmful shit they are doing because they are “an ally” so how could they possibly getting it wrong!?
I 100% agree with this, but the burden should not be placed on the oppressed. Men must dismantle patriarchy too. They don’t get to sit around and do jack shit.
Obviously you don’t want the privileged to steal the cause and speak for the oppressed and marginalized, and this has always been an issue. But it’s not because of ‘men’ but because of capitalism and patriarchy that declaws any effective challenge to oppression. There are similar examples to this like green washing and the environmentalist movement.
But it is men, what you’re saying is the equivalent of passive voice when employers say that someone lost their jobs, it ignores that men do do this and tries to blame a system, which yes, is to blame but the individual men also have to take responsibility for themselves and other men too.
yes i definitely agree with your point here, systems don’t just live in the abstract, but are carried out by people who carry on fucked up prejudices, and all that.
Thanks for discussing things in good faith, a rare occurrence, we have not often encountered here. We really appreciate it!
Absolutely, kind internet stranger - I don’t want it any other way, I also appreciate your kind comments to me and willing to engage with my viewpoint, however imperfect they can be (no one is perfect, except for cats, of course).
I try my best to signal my intentions, and that any disagreements or points I make are in good faith and it is in the struggle against all forms of oppression, like sexism, ableism, racism, classism, and all sorts of hierarchies we experience in the workplace, public or private spaces, etc. that are well known, or also not well known, unwritten and novel.
Honey, stop. Men aren’t people, theyre huge bundles of irrational outrage looking for an outlet. They literally can’t hear what youre saying.
The joke: Hey if you kill men that catcall they stop.
The comments: How dare you.
Glad to see all the comments here are perfectly normal.
true :3
You know I made a comment to this effect not too long ago. I don’t know that it was well received. Shame
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Men can be attracted to men
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But men can catcall men… So your counter hypothetical doesn’t work
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Yes, I have. Heterosexual men aren’t the only people who catcall - who knew!
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I literally never once expressed even remote alignment with the meme - I simply pointed out an error in your hypothetical.
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I’ve marginalised absolutely nothing, you are fighting ghosts.
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I’m not the person fighting ghosts, and if we’re going to talk about marginalising groups then maybe you shouldn’t be using mental health as an insult.
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Sweetheart I’m trans and a lesbian. I never called for anyone to die - please read all my comments again.
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What the hell kind of comment is this
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