Because being “dumb” (in both senses of the word) is not necessarily a bad thing. Some people can’t retain and recall reliably as much information or they may learn more slowly, but neither of those things are present here. This person collected a lot of information and can reliably recall it, they’re just wrong. Lack of what one would normally call “intelligence” is not the issue. You could as well call them ignorant, which at least is accurate, but again it’s not morally wrong to be ignorant. Then there’s what we really see here: willful ignorance. Intentionally supporting harmful false facts in spite of presented evidence. That’s not a lack of intelligence, and often the most insidious of these are the more intelligent ones who may use rhetoric or pseudoscience more effectively than this fellow in the post. I know it forces people to use more words and doesn’t allow for snappy comebacks, but maybe we can correctly identify the problem and not marginalize innocent people in the process.
i think you’re making people up who self identify as dumb so you can grand stand and feel good about taking a stand about the horrific harm wrought on society by the word dumbass but that’s just me
I have encountered people who say that insults to intelligence such as those hurt them deeply. I am not one of those myself, so maybe I’m the wrong person to argue this. I’m not making them up, but I won’t claim to know an abundance of them either. In any case addressing the issue or argument is typically more effective than a personal insult. Well, that may not be true, I guess. Conservatives get real power just by punching the opposition, but maybe we can be better than that?
That definition of dumb is extremely limited, you know that people aren’t referring to raw cognitive ability when they call someone dumb or stupid. The word is bigger than that and is used to describe, among other things, exactly them kind of willful ignorance or intellectual laziness that you described the race science guys as displaying. As another poster said, there is no group of marginalized people self-identified or medically classified as “dumb” and there hasn’t been for like two centuries.
What is with this level of hostility? She’s just talking to you in a totally normal tone despite your obviously reactionary line of thinking (We did something in the past and it was fine (according to me) so it’s fine to keep doing it in the future) and you respond by going off on some rant full of personal insults for what, the crime of disagreeing with you? What is the matter with you?
Instead we alienate allies because they say “dumb” when someone is acting dumb.
I don’t think that happened. I’m very skeptical of the idea that willfully letting reactionary thought slide because you’re preemptively afraid of “losing people” is ever a solid strategy. Truth is truth. Throwing around words like “dumb” is ableist and lazy in any context. Someone (or their argument) being “dumb” is never the root problem. Uninformed, out of touch, willfully ignorant, false consciousness, motivated by racism, motivated by self or class interest, these are the real roots of reactionary thought like in the OP.
People are capable of learning to take good faith crit from comrades and learn something without throwing a tantrum about it.
Y’all deleting comments like this is childish as fuck. See this dumbass sub later. Whiny, childish, and out of touch is what you all are
“We’re revolutionaries” say the people telling me not to use the word “dumb” because your feelings get hurt.
Sick of this community. You can have it. Peace out mother fuckers and enjoy your echo chamber. This is how you lose people, this is how you become bloated versions of yourselves. You’re SO FUCKING SURE of the way it has to be, no willingness to engage or be wrong
Fuck y’all who censor this shit, you’re a joke, and you fucking know it. Later gaterz
i don’t know why you chose to cry in my inbox when i just told you crying about this particular issue is embarrassing and pathetic. i don’t care. you don’t matter.
The word dumb doesn’t hurt my feelings because I have an inflated ego. However I am extremely aware of how close it is to “removed”(ya know, the r-word) and when that shit comes out of someone’s mouth all I’m thinking about is my 30-06. Listen to people when they tell you that you have hurt them. Some of us won’t have the manners to let you know.
Please read Mao’s “On The Correct Handling Of Contradictions” until you understand the difference between antagonistic and non-antagonistic contradictions and how a movement can grapple with both at the same time
“It takes two to tango”
Educating and uplifting potential allies is valuable work. Making sure everyone is more or less on the same page amplifies your message and raises your signal to noise ratio.
This is why I’m done reading books and every day go 2% less ironic in my anti literacy, you people are cooking yourselves and every day something like this affirms it to me more and more
Imagine being this proud of being a philistine because some other people spend too much time online
I think it’s really strange to characterize intelligence as “being able to retain and recall facts.” That’s usually called “knowledge,” while “intelligence” is usually the ability to solve problems, i.e. to take given facts and make inferences from them. The question of how this person makes inferences is relevant, though I personally am content to call them fascist and be done with it.
Ignorance is often characterized as innocent and apolitical but there isn’t anything inocent about ignoring things and the processes of discovery and systems of value that lead us to information is highly political.
Because being “dumb” (in both senses of the word) is not necessarily a bad thing. Some people can’t retain and recall reliably as much information or they may learn more slowly, but neither of those things are present here. This person collected a lot of information and can reliably recall it, they’re just wrong. Lack of what one would normally call “intelligence” is not the issue. You could as well call them ignorant, which at least is accurate, but again it’s not morally wrong to be ignorant. Then there’s what we really see here: willful ignorance. Intentionally supporting harmful false facts in spite of presented evidence. That’s not a lack of intelligence, and often the most insidious of these are the more intelligent ones who may use rhetoric or pseudoscience more effectively than this fellow in the post. I know it forces people to use more words and doesn’t allow for snappy comebacks, but maybe we can correctly identify the problem and not marginalize innocent people in the process.
i think you’re making people up who self identify as dumb so you can grand stand and feel good about taking a stand about the horrific harm wrought on society by the word dumbass but that’s just me
I have encountered people who say that insults to intelligence such as those hurt them deeply. I am not one of those myself, so maybe I’m the wrong person to argue this. I’m not making them up, but I won’t claim to know an abundance of them either. In any case addressing the issue or argument is typically more effective than a personal insult. Well, that may not be true, I guess. Conservatives get real power just by punching the opposition, but maybe we can be better than that?
That definition of dumb is extremely limited, you know that people aren’t referring to raw cognitive ability when they call someone dumb or stupid. The word is bigger than that and is used to describe, among other things, exactly them kind of willful ignorance or intellectual laziness that you described the race science guys as displaying. As another poster said, there is no group of marginalized people self-identified or medically classified as “dumb” and there hasn’t been for like two centuries.
“You’re the smartest guy I ever met. But you’re too **removed** to see, he made up his mind ten minutes ago.”
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What is with this level of hostility? She’s just talking to you in a totally normal tone despite your obviously reactionary line of thinking (We did something in the past and it was fine (according to me) so it’s fine to keep doing it in the future) and you respond by going off on some rant full of personal insults for what, the crime of disagreeing with you? What is the matter with you?
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I don’t think that happened. I’m very skeptical of the idea that willfully letting reactionary thought slide because you’re preemptively afraid of “losing people” is ever a solid strategy. Truth is truth. Throwing around words like “dumb” is ableist and lazy in any context. Someone (or their argument) being “dumb” is never the root problem. Uninformed, out of touch, willfully ignorant, false consciousness, motivated by racism, motivated by self or class interest, these are the real roots of reactionary thought like in the OP.
People are capable of learning to take good faith crit from comrades and learn something without throwing a tantrum about it.
i agree with your sentiment but using “blinded” as an alternative to ableist terminology is a bit jarring.
You’re right. In my defense it was 2 am for me at the time.
I fixed it and IMO my argument is much better now. Thank you.
so is fucking crying about it
Y’all deleting comments like this is childish as fuck. See this dumbass sub later. Whiny, childish, and out of touch is what you all are
“We’re revolutionaries” say the people telling me not to use the word “dumb” because your feelings get hurt.
Sick of this community. You can have it. Peace out mother fuckers and enjoy your echo chamber. This is how you lose people, this is how you become bloated versions of yourselves. You’re SO FUCKING SURE of the way it has to be, no willingness to engage or be wrong
Fuck y’all who censor this shit, you’re a joke, and you fucking know it. Later gaterz
i don’t know why you chose to cry in my inbox when i just told you crying about this particular issue is embarrassing and pathetic. i don’t care. you don’t matter.
The word dumb doesn’t hurt my feelings because I have an inflated ego. However I am extremely aware of how close it is to “removed”(ya know, the r-word) and when that shit comes out of someone’s mouth all I’m thinking about is my 30-06. Listen to people when they tell you that you have hurt them. Some of us won’t have the manners to let you know.
Please read Mao’s “On The Correct Handling Of Contradictions” until you understand the difference between antagonistic and non-antagonistic contradictions and how a movement can grapple with both at the same time
“It takes two to tango” Educating and uplifting potential allies is valuable work. Making sure everyone is more or less on the same page amplifies your message and raises your signal to noise ratio.
Lmao
Imagine being this proud of being a philistine because some other people spend too much time online
I think it’s really strange to characterize intelligence as “being able to retain and recall facts.” That’s usually called “knowledge,” while “intelligence” is usually the ability to solve problems, i.e. to take given facts and make inferences from them. The question of how this person makes inferences is relevant, though I personally am content to call them fascist and be done with it.
Ignorance is often characterized as innocent and apolitical but there isn’t anything inocent about ignoring things and the processes of discovery and systems of value that lead us to information is highly political.