After the recent struggle session which resulted in
CW: It’s pretty self indulgent considering the gravity of the actual situation.
I am left disquieted due to various people who represented zionists positions directly or held space for these. Particularly (but not only) those who are admins and mods. People who think the above image is a “holocaust flag”. And otherwise seem to have conjured a fictious form of anti semitism, just for deploying here.
Well OK maybe it is allowed to give people a week or a month to mull things over and reconsider their positions. But do we come back to it? Or should I just seethe with resentment, hold a grudge, and snipe about other things going forward?
On the other hand, the majority & plurality were on the correct side of things. So that’s good. I just… Idk I don’t expect hegemony but this is literally such a simple issue. I don’t know how anyone who feels different could feel comfortable on this site. it’s like learning mods/admins are triggered by a guillotine.
In some ways it could be “the fighting is so fierce because the stakes are so low”. (The stakes = emojis)
But on the other hand, the stakes are so huge and this is just the scale of fighting that’s near at hand.
Nobody ever accused me of being perfect and well behaved so maybe I’m just throwing stones from a glass house. I explicitly must consent to whatever critique in that regard.
I would like to suggest that on the new user signup page the question be changed to read
What are your views on GSM / LGBTQ rights, racial justice, animal liberation,
Although I have no idea what sort of answers people make to these. So maybe it’s stupid.
Fucking shit. People are fucking being fucking murdered right at this fucking moment.
Since we’re going to re-litigate this whole thing again, just keep in mind of something. We have at least one person on this site who is being starved. They have had actual bombs from IDF dropped on their house and neighborhood. Everything normal, including being able to regularly post on this site, has been taken from them (someone posts on their behalf iirc).
No emoji is going to make them feel better. The fight for their life and the cause of their pain is far removed from whatever happened or will happen on this site.
True, but that’s not really the issue here, is it.
The issue is that certain people on this site put the feelings of genociders above the lives of the genocided.
And they deserve to be called out for that.
I believe the point of the person you are replying to is that this isn’t about “the lives of the genocided,” it’s about the feelings of a bunch of Hexbear users who generally aren’t being subjected to genocide, especially not that genocide (though we do have like 5 users who openly are, which isn’t nothing, but I can’t remember seeing any of them weigh in). The lives of the genocided are being given some degree of priority when we do things that actually help them, which an emoji never will.
I made my post about this subject a while ago and never really thought it was worth the fighting people engage in over it, I just continue to not like bad arguments. It’s not like the feelings of Hexbear users are worthless, so by all means keep the new emoji, just say that’s what it is.
Personally, I think it’s completely asinine when mods remove those Palestinian mutual aids because they posted in comms other than /c/mutual_aid or /c/chapotraphouse. Oh boo hoo, one of them posted their Gofundme in /c/science or /c/earth. They could spam the entire site with their Gofundmes and I wouldn’t give a fuck and neither should everyone else.
I was asked by a large amount of users to keep the mutual aid posts in the mutual aid community. I DMed every person that I removed the posts from apologizing and explaining.
The users said they have no ability to monetarily contribute and had blocked the mutual aid community.
If you and others think that the users should instead block the people asking for mutual aid and we let the mutual aid posts be put anywhere that is a change I can make
I didn’t know that was happening, I thought they were given exceptions.
That’s really unbelievably fucked up.
You could see the post if you go to the modlog and filter by Removing Posts: https://hexbear.net/modlog?page=1&actionType=ModRemovePost
Here’s one that got removed: https://hexbear.net/post/5808670
Good point and I agree 💯 on principle. Are you going to post this same comment on all the other threads burying those mutual aid requests? If not, why this thread in particular?
You didn’t have to go bump those threads, my point wasn’t that this thread is pushing more important threads down. One of my hopes was that someone would momentarily look outside of threads and posting all together. I guess I was hoping for a little too much.
We may not actually agree on principle but I will vote for you to be mod or admin if the time comes.
I unironically appreciate that you brought the attention back to the mutual aid threads (whether or not that was the specific intention), it’s actually messed up that we’re out here posting peepeepoopoo every day while our Palestinian friends are begging for us not to let them starve to death.
I appreciate the vote and have thought about giving it a shot after I graduate but I’m for real up to my neck in real life rn (turns out it’s not easy to find correct alternator parts!) and
arguing aboutfighting for better site culture is an enjoyable break in a way, believe it or not.